95% of the time, I usually hit off to the R-side of the target. Thank you. I qualified as a Lifetime Expert (USN) at Subic Bay PI but, as things would happen, the record was lost in transit to the Ship’s personnel office (or they lost it). This has been an issue with testing accuracy of semi-auto pistols and has resulted in poor manufacturing decisions, in order to get better reviews. When you grip a gun, you are holding it exclusively with friction. Did you do your run with your 9mm AR? Recoil from a gun like this is negligible in almost all respects. That would be the Canik TP9 series. Overall Length: 7.5″ But if the cops take it, who cares. The accuracy is off the charts. Movement, sight picture, recoil control.... Now though I have started shooting competition and have move on to a more isosceles stance and combat grip. This thing is fine for plinking and okay to use as long as you’re very careful about that locking mechanism, and the belt attachment options that are adjustable for cant are a nice touch. What’s the 3 most important things on a self defense weapon? This, then, is that “quirk” that has popped to the top of the list for people like The Yankee Marshall. I start off at short distances since there might be a lot of effects that come into play at 25 yards (wind, ammo, etc) but it’s all me at 3-5 yards. It’s a device that fits into your handgun as a dummy round but shoots a laser when the firing pin hits it. (Which I happen to think is one of the best combat pistol courses available to both government agencies, and everyday law-abiding civilians to be found anywhere in the world, today.) -Nobody will can/will sell me a replacement spring – I’ve contacted Century, AIM and Canik – the first 2 have promised that parts will become available for puchase “soon”. Personally, I find triggers like the TP9SA’s to be too short and light for most self-defense use, at least on a pistol with no safety, but that’s a matter of preference. For me, since I’m left-eye dominant but right hand dominant, I like the Chapman stance since it puts the sights more in line with my left eye. Sootch00 did it. The rail slot depth is an issue I haven’t seen brought up anywhere else, and is very good to know. I like to always have some dry firing sessions at home in between range days. I tried really hard to focus but I tended to land on the paper the first few shots, but the more I focused on trying to hit I didn't even know where my bullet was landing. As for the cross eye dominance issue, it simply finding the best solution for you. Thanks again; I enjoy your work. Pair it with randomized targets that detect the lasers to work on target transitions and future competitive shooting moves. The ergos are good as well, with a backstrap shape that fits the hand comfortably and a grip angle that’s fairly natural. Hi Mitchell, thanks! If you’re a lefty, you will have to mirror image the findings. I went to the loods and repeated what happened, and I got exactly the same result. Anyhoo… in a defensive situation you’ll probably pull it with 600 lbs of force anyway and break the safety clean off haha, http://www.slickguns.com/product/new-canik-tp-9v2-sa-9mm-w-2-18-rnd-mags-hard-case-and-accessories-33999. On a TP9 used for self defense purposes, the decocker makes plenty of sense. — for the cheap or lazy aspect. Late to the TP9SA party here, got one at an LGS near me. Plus were you shooting quick burst or spacing out the shots pretty evenly? It scared the living shit out of me. Maybe sub $450 street price? Not so much as a hint of a thought of a hiccup. Fotoğrafta tüm set görünmektedir, Sıfır kutulu, ruhsat sahibinden satılık ruhsatsız vs işlem için aramayın. At a fairly normal online retail price of ~$340 shipped — even if the holster and mag loader are only really worth their “freebie” price — it’s a heck of a lot of pistol for the money. Well it really does help and in the beginning I was squinting hard with just one eye open and trying to focus on the target. This allows me to see if the gun is pulling left, right, up, or down. and remember to squeeze so slowly that I’m surprised when the gun clicks. I was also able to get 18 rds into one of my mags. Choose what feels most comfortable for you…but I go through all three stances in my Stances article. Too many unknowns at this time anyway. Ahh, ... no you cannot! They’re often fine as a beater “truck gun” or for plinking, etc., but really not up to snuff in the role as the only pistol one owns or for use as a competition or self-defense gun. Have shot 50,000 rounds in five months. Don’t decock the gun when you need it to fire a chambered round. Privacy Policy and It’s too big to carry, and oh, I don’t carry anyway. I’ve found it immensely helpful to keep both eyes open. It shot high with everything. That’s my 2 cents worth. Budget-minded folks would have a gun that’s rock-solid and reliable, and other budget gun makers would have to step up or step aside. Drawbacks….for me anyways extra parts and customer service. Ergonomics: * * * *  You don’t like it? The non-dominant thumb will run along the frame. Are you talking front sight only? How about where to place your trigger finger? If you squeeze when on the bull, till you finish and the bullet leaves the barrel you are no longer on the bull. Kind of expensive but think of all the ammo you’ll be saving. If you're still pointing at the target, that's your dominant eye; if not, it's the other one. Good to know Anon…I’ll stick with a cheap(inexpensive) Taurus for now. Great breakdown, and love your sense of humor in the article. Have a target, shoot a couple shots at it, and see where they land in relation to the chart. First, always make sure your gun is unloaded and follow the 4 Rules of Safety. James Yeager rents TP9SAs at his training facility to students, with no instructions regarding them at all, and has noted zero instances where the students have unintentionally activated the decocker. I was county boy who hunted or food. I mounted a TLR4 to the PIC rail of my TP9SA with no problem at all. You’re really doing a good service with your programs. First shot, Blazer Brass 115Grain, right dead center in the middle of the target. Awesome…. Otherwise, great guide. It makes a very attractive paperweight, and that trigger is still very sweet when dry-firing. Don’t push the brake pedal when you want to go. The last round took determination, but the two that cam with the pistol as well as five I ordered from J&G loaded to full 18 rounds. When you tighten your weak hand, you are increasing the friction of your weak hand on your strong hand, but also pressing your strong hand against the gun more increasing that too. Be sure to check your owners manual before repeated dry firing. Decocker is a NON-issue. It’s personal preference (and something to do with your finger length too) but I would suggest somewhere between the top quarter of your finger tip to right before the first joint crease. I’ve run the course in the past with a .22lr S&W M&P AR loaded with 12 or so rounds and then transitioned to my sidearm when it locked back. – In the process of measuring to modify the mags, I had to remove the mag catch. BUT I would buy the CANIK for a secondary weapon (glove box/shop/end table/etc. Thanks for all of that. That’s how you learn to become an elite shooter. Personally I spent some time working on retraining my right eye for dominance. More of a target-style sight alignment than a combat-style one. The point is to see if you have a natural flinch during shooting which will show up when you reach the snap caps and they do not go bang. Thanks for this great info. It takes between 7 and 10 lbs of pressure to decock the TP9SA depending on where on the button you’re pressing (10 on the pads on either side, 7 right in the center). It’s quick and accurate enough to use in competition and reliable enough to use for self defense. We hate SPAM and promise to keep your email address safe. All 3 shots in less than a second, and all 3 pieces of brass landed in a bout a foot circle. The back of the striker sports a red dot and protrudes from the plate when cocked. 5 Best Aftermarket Glock Slides [Hands-On]: Looks & Functionality, Best Handgun for Beginners & Home Defense [2021], 7 Best .22 LR Rifles: Bigger Isn't Always Better, 5 Best Pistol Red Dot Sights [Real-Views + Video], 6 Best AR-15 Pistols [2021 Complete & Build List], Hi, I'm Eric Hung and I got into guns when I was around 25 and started with YouTube videos, scouring forums, and eventually taking a bunch of classes. Buying a 9mm tomorrow and so looking forward to learning how to handle it correctly. And how you hold the gun also has a huge effect on your accuracy. Yes It probably be better off somwhere else but it aint .it should not be a deal breaker imo. I learned by making a triangle with my two hands and encapsulating a target. 9 months ago Reply. Introducing the Galloway Precision +3 Magazine Extension for the TX22 pistol. The owner’s manual mentions that the decocker renders the trigger dead, and it states that the correct and safe way to disassemble the pistol is through the use of the decocker, not via pulling the trigger. How can you get better if you have no idea where you are shooting? Naturally, it’s not my gun so I left it used and dirty and proceeded to make it used-er and dirtier. In the process of reinstalling it, I bent the mag catch spring, such that it did not assert sufficient pressure to hold in the mag. Thank God I have never had to draw my weapon. You’ll be tempted to first hold it at a slight angle since it feels more natural…but resist! In fact, they make some, most, or all of the OEM ones for SIG, CZ, Beretta, Ruger, and many other top-tier companies’ pistols. Give me another pistol that will do that. Reply. At any rate, because the grooves are substantially shallower than Mil Spec people are going to find a whole ton of accessories that simply will not mount onto the TP9SA. I dare you. One of the reasons you might shoot someone else’s gun really well the first time is since you don’t know the trigger (and when all the loud noise and recoil will come). They have, at the least, had trigger and spring jobs done on them, which greatly improves their ability to do accurate double taps. I honestly like that I don’t have to pull the trigger to disassemble mine. For instance, the Glock 19’s shorter grip holds 15 rounds of 9mm vs the Glock 17’s 17 round capacity. Do this several times, it will really help to get you in tune with your trigger. Canik/tristar/sar/etc/stoeger/etc/etc/etc is actually a rather huge company that is very old anf makes tons and tons of firearms for a variety of end users, including some large militaries.. And that’s it…now you’ll be able to work on your fundamentals, dry-firing, and range shooting to become a more accurate pistol shooter. I’m left unconcerned and just not buying all of the reasons why this decocker theoretically sucks. I’m definitely buying the TP9SF when it gets imported. Great tips! Also, people talk about holsters but the truth of the matter is this is not the wild west and seldom are you confronted in a manner, if at all, where getting your firearm out of a holster which takes next to no time is a matter of a wild west fast draw. No manual safety and no mag disconnect, both required features, separate and apart from the microstamping issue. Subjects of kalifornia are otherwise S.O.L. They have been making a push for U.S. market share, and are able to offer good quality at a good price point to get their name out. Might be the most important part of everything, and what dry-firing practice is all about below. And if you’ve developed some bad habits along the way, it does a great job of rewiring you back over time. God bless you, Sir. You have to really push it down firmly to engage it. One of the best triggers in my gun safe. Thank you for this great refresher. “Performance on a budget” describes the subject of many of TTAG’s most popular gun reviews. Thanks for giving us enthusiests a place to learn more. I’d say if you’re really serious about upping your shooting game…try it out. The trigger is much nicer to me. Will have to disassemble them and make some measurements. The cpx2 has failures when using one of the mags the gun came with and not the other. Stop whining like a little kid about decockers people. If you like to “Israeli carry”, then this is the gun for you. That beveled magwell, beat up as it is, makes for reliably rapid reloads and the large magazine release button, which can be swapped to either side of the frame, is easy to operate, dropping empty mags free. It may just be a matter of breaking them in or some dremel tool work on the follower. Too much range practice in the beginning is sometimes detrimental, since you haven’t built up the muscle memory of dry firing, and instead you build up a flinch reaction. – In attempting to fix the spring issue, I managed to lose the bloody thing in my messy office – totally my fault, but the design is such that re-inserting it is a battle royal (and since the mag catch is allegedly reversible, this shouldn’t require gunsmithing skills). However, I don’t see that decocker as some sort of overwhelmingly tempting red button with a gravitational pull such that one’s willpower simply cannot prevent one from depressing it when one shouldn’t. I was way late to the party, but after watching many Youtube reviews, I couldn’t resist it. Due to the fact that the TP9SA is effectively a variant of the TP9, it retains the TP9’s decocker button. Picked up a Bianchi universal military holster to accommodate the mounted TLR4, and I’m very satisfied with the whole package. You can do this by sitting down and placing your elbows on the bench, or leaning into the counter. Mag changes are fast and easy and that light, crisp trigger makes it an excellent target, range, or even competition gun. An easy mistake to do is to immediately lift your finger off the trigger after each shot and look at the target. Works in my canik tp9 sfl and canik 55 shark c … no problem (Posted on 3/6/2020) Good for the range Review by James. I recently purchased a GemTech Lunar 9 to run on my Canik TP9 Elite Combat Executive. I have found this to be the best answer for me, Hey Jeremy, i just came back from first range session with this bad boy and I agree with your findings for the most part (didn’t find any spare front posts or breech flag)What I found is something you didn’t mention in your review and probably matters for self defense/combat scenario and maybe competition shooting- Canik TP9SA releases slide and chambers a round on mag slammed in…I think it’s pretty cool feature and not common enough to not mention it.Cheers. One comment on this line: now my nerves aren't as good as they used to be. Now I am trying to get back some gunsense and help my wife. The easiest way to determine dominant eye is to point at something, both eyes open, with your finger. It helped me pull my shots from the right back to center. Thank you for caring enough to take the time. At the range, replace half the snap caps with live ammo so you can tell if you're flinching on empty cylinders. Middlebrooks commenting about how he would have had to end his national and worldwide championship shooting career years earlier than he did, if he had not discovered the practical value and virtues of using a ‘Reverse Chapman’ stance and grip. I have read and watched YT of guys saying this gun is big to EDC but I don’t see that. So if they would have just called the “decocker” button a “takedown” button, nobody would have raised a fuss. MSRP: $399 (less on Brownells). I cover revolvers and semi-auto grips in more detail in How to Grip a Pistol. Check out the heavy duty, shape maintaining matching gun belt. Snap Caps: Essential if you’re shooting rimfire such as .22LR, but also great for other calibers if you want to work on reloads in the future, or do the drill I just mentioned above. ), pull down on the takedown levers, and slide the slide off the front of the frame. I was able to handle one at the LGS and liked it, reminded me of my VP9 a bit. 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